This would explain why Alex was not able to drive the van. Why didnt Loki look into it more? Its almost like the style and story carry the movie and the cast is just kind of there. Same with Loki. In Norse mythology, Lokis a big deal. The overall rate of having been a victim was 35% for perpetrators and 11% for non-perpetrators. Hey Mary! Rather than face the sobering realization that she may have left the protection of her family entirely on her husbands shoulders ( according to the screenplay, she drank wine and was tipsy at the Thanksgiving get-together, but he just drank milk), she would rather sleep because she loves her children and husband deeply and gladly serves what he prepares in the more safe and secure world that he is trying to create for themso its complicated. I like it much better being ambiguous. Suspect Arrested in Holly Jones Murder. Someone who seems like the kidnapper but isnt the killer broke into both our homes and took our kids clothes. Especially after Loki pretty much blew off Graces report about someone coming into their house. I imagine it would have taken some time to make the connection to Hollys husband, if it was ever possible to do so. Were left with the question of, Does Loki save Keller or not? Maybe the most impressive thing to me about Prisoners is that almost everything that happens in the movie is a clue for Loki. I wish they delved more into that aspect of him, but also thought that the brief mention left viewers trying to figure out its meaning. She feels God is anything but gracious. Cant wait to show this movie (and analysis) to my wife! The book would lack meaning because it lacked any and all context. Those three movies do the normal thing of stacking information so that as the plot progresses we feel more knowledgeable and empowered about whats going on. Hopefully youre thinking, Thats an in-road!. AuntMrs. And I read some of it after watching the film a little. Alex Jones is Paul Sandow's older brother; Crimes & Criminals; Canon-Typical Violence; Implied/Referenced Sexual Assault; Alex Is A Good Brother; Alex & Loki have an unlikely partnership . Location: 3794 Highway 468. In Christianity, water is a major theme, playing a vital role in baptism and the idea of purity. Glad you liked the movie! Prisoners (2013) Ending Explained - Why do the Jones couple abduct the Alex knows where the children are, but if he wants his Aunt in jail, and therefore stopped for good, he cant tellso its complicated. A god who complicates things for other gods. I thought that Alex and Bob had kidnapped the girls and Bob had left Alex to take the fall. CSP-Sacramento is located adjacent to Folsom State Prison. Excellent insight, Jasmine! Skai fastened a venomous snake over Lokis face, and from it poison dripped. So he moves the fridge and finds the body. A forensic inspection of the cloths however, reveals that the blood belonged to a pig, and then Joy suddenly wakes up. 1409 Greenbrier Street Charleston, WV 25311 (304) 558-2036 Contact Us | Site Map | Staff Directory Mac Jones' Family: 5 Fast Facts You Need to Know | Heavy.com By that, I mean Alex has headed towards introversion. Especially with Christopher Nolan movies. I dont know if dental records are in the system. Others will be so invested in the first watching that this goes right over their headwhich is intentional on the movies part. It references Loki killing Holly as detective David Loki. Everything is action, action, action. This technique is more common in artsy projects than it is mainstream ones. In Joys flashback theres a note saying to complete all the mazes in the book. Prisoners. Under certain agreements and special circumstances, we . The man who pleaded guilty to murdering 10-year-old Holly Jones at a Toronto court Thursday morning fulfilled his "dark secret" when he abducted, sexually assaulted, and dismembered her shortly. Having a very prominent Christian first name and a very prominent Norse last name falls into place with the different spiritualities working together in the movie, which is maybe why hes the one to save the child in the end. While Alex is a victim, he can be a dick. I dont buy it. That would have cinched the mystery early on. But how in the world would a jury ever find this guy guilty of anything when he saves two kids, finds/stops the biggest kidnapping ring in the country, after the police basically screwed up bad. Does Loki represent a spirituality beyond Christianity? So when Loki discovers Alex, Holly is making Keller her prisoner. Since her son's death, she has become a cold, deeply disturbed and depraved human being, wanting nothing but for others to feel her pain. Got it (which is why Keller finds it in the hole at the end). But, like the title, things arent always so simple. But theres a common association with a snake eating its own tail, also known as the Ouroboros. Thats usually associated with the idea of the endless loop. When we were shooting, we did shoot a version where it goes a little beyond where the fade out is. Ephemeral, spiritual things that operate on a metaphysical level. Loved the movie and this thread, and its not like me to concentrate for two hours on a film. Keller keeps Alex in a box thats similar to a confessional box. How did he get to Hollys house? Makes people lose their faith.. I wanted to just add one thing! This causes him to go blind, and although he doesnt cause an earthquake like Loki in mythology, he almost crashes a few times as he speeds down the highway to save the little girl who is suffering from the poison. And it seems he gets clothes to dress the mannequins. Some people may follow the clues and put 2 and 2 together. Its always really nice to have that experience where you grow into appreciating a movie. The priest is a registered sex offender, but how should he stop a child killer? But do you know what Kellers name means? I thought it was. Now these parents have a son that kidnaps/molests/drugs/kills little kids. Will Loki put 2+2 together and save Keller? High intelligenceGunmanship Joel Cox, the editor, felt very strongly about it. Great minds, Jasper. After she took care of you all this time? Hes essentially frozen by cognitive dissonance. Im glad it was helpful! By visiting his former home, he must remember a time before he was entrapped! He would not have known where to find the stuff. Holly's parents. I dont recall that moment, if you dont mind refreshing my memory! I believe the drug Holly was injecting into Anna was ketamine. Yeah, it seems thats the case. | The girl saw him or heard him though he didnt see the girl. 2.) I must say, I stumbled on to your site because of Prisoners but I really like what youre doing here as a whole! Thats the only way he can communicate to Loki where the girls might be, what happened to him, etc. Ok, thanks for the response. Barely talking. But her husband was more complicated. A character whose first scene is talking about Zodiac signs. Thanks for your reply, Chris! Let me know if you have thoughts. Just one quick question, why the hunting scene at the beginning? Mark Bridger, the former abattoir worker jailed for the sexually motivated murder of five-year-old April Jones, has been attacked in prison. That would explain why Loki was driving so recklessly to the hospital. She brings him to a hole underneath a car, forcing him in, shooting him in the leg and leaving him there. Alex Jones (Prisoners) Detective Loki (Prisoners) Paul Sandow (The King) Holly Jones (Prisoners) Keller Dover; Please check the notes for additional warnings! The length contributes to your analysis of the compounding effects of abduction over time, depicted in the varying lengths of how long they spent in the maze Joy seems the most available afterwards, but Anna is more slow to integrate; then Taylor, who is surprisingly capable (has a house, quite a capable thief, etc) while still being extremely myopic and distressed; and Alex, who is the mostly deeply shut off from the world. Kidnapping children. Holly Jones 1992-2003 Holly was kidnapped while walking home from a friends house. Excellent review, I enjoyed reading the things I understood, as well as the details I missed out on. Hey Craig! To talk about Prisoners, it helps if we un-maze the story by laying out its key events in chronological order. Texas Department of Criminal Justice Many times throughout the film, theres an emphasis on forests and trees. Its Grace who, in the wake of her daughter being stolen, completely falls apart. Also isnt the name Keller, too close to killer? The highly anticipated conclusion to the Stolen Heir duology by #1 New York Times bestselling author Holly Black. That idea of the maze goes beyond the characters to the structure of the story. Thats an interesting point about the zodiac signs! Then after Alex was let go, I think the police chief was hesitant to do anything more. Hence why, upon going back to the Kellers home, Loki finds one of the socks in the bushes. Its like the negotiating tactic of not saying anything. Real quick recap. I think they were just going to notify her that he was found. So the priest left the man tied up to die. Though, as the movies ends before Loki saves Keller, that sense of catharsis is something Prisoners denies us. Nothing more than chilling fragments. The soul. CBC News Indepth: Holly Jones But on the way back they saw the van and decided to play on it since their older siblings werent there to tell them no. So yes, the maze stuff in Prisoners is part of the basic plot. Thanks for reading it all! What if deep down he DOES want her to go to jail! Your basically kidnapping/torturing someone who is going to kill your daughter if they are released. He was the 28-year-old from Woodstock charged with Tori Stafford's abduction, rape and murder. | Three years later, as he was serving a 23-year prison sentence at the United States Disciplinary Barracks at Fort Leavenworth, Kan., Jones failed to report for a prison check after working in a . Franklin says and believes that he would do anything for his daughter, but ( like Peter in the Bible who acted cowardly when he thought he would act bravely at Christs crucifixion ) Franklin (who thinks he can play the trumpet, but cant) is not a killer. If he was, then he wouldnt have continuously lied to the police and Keller. Now if Nocturnal Animals didnt have flashbacks, if we only saw Adams read this book and get emotional but otherwise live her life normallythat wouldnt work. And yeah, that is devastating. What didnt make sense to me was that the parents didnt seem to remember what the girls were wearing at the time of the abduction. The article mentions that his co-worker Mr Dover didnt make any comments. Emotional imprisonment: the disappearance of Anna and Joy emotionally devastates the Dover and Birch families. Ends up bringing them home. How do we make sense of the bad in the world? I thought that the casting and acting were the weakest part of the film. The exact opposite of what you would expect him to do based on what you know about his religion. We know Bob Taylor was abducted by Holly Jones and her husband. Keeping the source of these character names in mind, if you re-watch Prisoners you definitely pick up on some thematic subtext involving religion. It opens with a shot of a snowy forest, where a deer quietly noses around for food. As a forensic psychologist I also question the alleged motives of some of Alexs and Taylors actions. This kind of internal instructional clue is something that didnt really exist until the 20th century and the rise of modernism and post-modernism. Loki doesnt have a last name, but we know the meaning of his first name. Yet hes equally difficult to understand. Taylor was lucky enough to have survived (others did not), though its never explained how long he was there, or when he left, or howjust that he had been abducted, was kept by the Joneses, then was out being an adult. | And just basic everyday human psychology-wise, mazes are kind of magnetic, one of these archetypes that have been part of myths and legends and interest for centuries and throughout cultures. Theres a moment in the movie where Loki is searching for clues in old newspapers and he founds a note of a man, a correctional officer, who commited suicide (allegedly) after his son was abducted. Detective Loki goes to see Alex's aunt, Holly Jones (Melissa Leo), who raised him with his uncle after his parents died when he was six. The discussion in the comments is also quite engaging. I noticed how Holly cares for her dog and I wonder if Alex abusing it is his way of getting back at her (His abuser). Holly Deane-Johns, 51, was subjected to the awful living conditions while serving time at Lardyao Women's Correctional Institution. Dover in his belief Alex Jones knows where the girls are. It is of course not completely impossible because Holly could have cleaned the van thoroughly. I prefer to believe Keller was found by Loki, his boss said he never lost a case. Top Holly Jones Prisoners Quotes As long as there is poverty in this world, no man can be totally rich even if he has a billion dollars. I didnt think Maria Bello was good either. (But is also comes from the old Scandinavian meaning a ravine, gap, gorge, or a crevasse between cliffs. The French, Celtics, and Gauls all had similar versions of the word (Douvres, Dubrs, and Dubris, respectively) and all meant water as well. Which would therefore create a maze of the mind and memories. Brilliant article, enjoyed every word of it. Now imagine Taylor and Alex being there for years and years. Check your email or visit the Flickr blog for more information to celebrate your 2022 on Flickr. I assumed that it was Bob and he was referring to when he was captured by the police in the van at the rest stop. Then, they became serial child murderers intent to "wage a war with God" by turning the parents of their victims into grief-stricken demons. Blaming God for not saving him, they "waged a war with God" and sought to make others feel their pain. The idea of faith comes up again and again. How could Keller have been there too? The dead body discovered in the priests house just so happens to have on a maze necklace. Its Hollys husband, and hes wearing the same maze necklace as the mysterious body from the basement. Or that hell never make a mistake. One of these underground people tells a shocked family, Were Americans. After that information, the title, Us, can be read as US, or U.S., or United States. Its a solid theory. Because of that, Kendricks life turned out 1,000% different than it would have had he grown up without a dad. The Joneses were unhinged serial killers. Wow, that was so helpful. Mississippi Department of Corrections - MS Thank you! hi Chris, enjoyed reading the above just one question: the FBI agents book about Finding the Invisible Man was that about another abductor who was obsessed with mazes and not the crimes committed by Holly and her husband? He clearly remembers something about his life before the abduction, otherwise he wouldnt park at his old house. Let me know how the re-watch goes! It seems to be a male figure and not Holly, either. Cornton Vale I believe. This would be how they have the image of the maze. Theres something being said in this collision between civilization and nature, Christianity and the Old Gods.. Yo Zach! Without your amazing, insight ful comments I would never have got any of it at all. Good people do bad things, bad people do good thingsThe wicked knowingly and methodically try to spread their wickedness to as many as they can. Holly bedroht ihn jedoch mit einer Waffe und sperrt ihn in ein unterirdisches Loch . Tyson claims he slept with prison counsellor and did 'really nasty The same way Holly and her husband lost their kid so started inflicting pain on others. Holly shoots Dover in the leg and imprisons him in a concealed pit in her yard, where he finds the police whistle belonging to his daughter. It had happened in broad daylight, in the Junction Triangle neighborhood in west Toronto, and detectives would find out later there were witnesses. The notion of a prison recurs so often. Barely existing. And the long-dead Mr. Jones with the still-alive Keller Dover. So it could be something like that. I must reiterate how spectacular this review was. Origin The Central Mississippi Correctional Facility (CMCF) was established in 1986 and built on 171 acres in Pearl in Rankin County. Hope that made sense haha! TORONTO - Police in Toronto on Friday arrested a 35-year-old man and charged him in connection with the killing of 10-year-old Holly Jones. It is mentioned, in the scene discussing the FBI agents book in Taylors house, that Taylor was abducted as a child but escaped after three weeks. They are thinking about him, his lost life, and the lives of all the kids (two right down the street) that he devastated. That the book is a dramatic retelling of Adams cheating on then dumping Gyllenhaal and the pain he dealt with in the aftermath of her hurting him. And it never really changed. Anyway just brilliant write up. But how the movie explores religion and puts Christianity in conversation with other religions/spiritualities is pretty incredible. This is part of the maze-like construction of Prisoners. One has the last name Dover. Like Taylor, Alex is both influenced by his abductor and struggling to speak on something that is too terrible to express. I believe they say that Alex often drove the van and looked at his old house? Perhaps another theme of the movie is communication. Holly had to tell him to write his full name. This is purposefully meta, as midway through the film the motif of the maze is introduced. So you could try and argue that it just means the girls didnt struggle. Then brought him home and he kept waiting for Alex to come play. Bob Taylor hears about the girls gone missing and plays kidnapper by doing weird stuff like showing up at the vigil and stealing clothes and burying mannequins in his yard (. Prisoners is a 2013 American mystery thriller film directed by Denis Villeneuve from a screenplay written by Aaron Guzikowski. At first, the maze might seem like nothing more than the ravings of a mad man, put into the script to add to the mystery and tension. And yeah, the book was about what Holly and her husband were doing. Best. The whistle is red, the colour of blood, and life is in the blood (Lev. Lokis name means: prison, to break, to end, fire, which is also an interesting connection with he movie. Yet he still lives with Holly. 101 Market Street 252-448-7091 ext 222 . This movie is deeply moving and having this info you provided helps me get why I felt this intense sense of spirituality behind the movie but couldnt quite put my finger on it. Texas Department of Criminal Justice | PO Box 99 | Huntsville, Texas 77342-0099 | (936) 295-6371 Prisoners/Best scene/Denis Villeneuve/Jake Gyllenhaal - YouTube How do you create a plot with supposed depth and cleverness and use so many ridiculous elements? I thought that Alex and Bob had kidnapped the girls and Bob had left Alex to take the fall. Holly Jones Prisoners Quotes & Sayings Enjoy reading and share 6 famous quotes about Holly Jones Prisoners with everyone. I could go to China and be fine, obviously . Im only 13 minutes in right now, but it is interesting! He could be Hollys husband, thats true. Records Dept. If that was the case, Alexs They didnt cry until I left them wouldnt be meaningful or even logical. Perhaps it was intended to reflect his personality, peaceable in normal situations, but with a killer instinct ready to take over when pushed by circumstances. So are such small things as duct tape over someones mouth. It asks you what you believe in. I searched for more movies with the actor Jack G after watching Nortunal Animals. Hi Chris He is unable to finish his prayer because I think he realizes that what he is doing is not according to what he believes in, but still believes that this is an act of necessary violence and he cant quite come to terms with himself on that. Our inmate population consists of people awaiting trial for violating federal laws or those who have already been convicted of committing a federal crime. Has astrological symbols tattooed on his hands. And I also found this thread by Chris by chance. Remember, he was over at the house one time and talks with Holly. Ty Chris. The filmmaking is great. Is the father a sex offender himself? Debord and Van Christopher Havis were arrested in . I was so impatient with all the people not talking, but it makes sense now, the priest, bound by his guilt and confession rules, Alex, most likely having been drugged from an early age on which alters your brain and personality, and God knows what else these people did to him and Bob. The number of prisoners held in private facilities accounts 128,300 inmates US has 1,393,975 male and 111,422 female prisoners US Imprisonment Rate is 450 people per 100.000 residents, 847 for males and 64 for females The majority of the inmates - 16.3% are between 30-34 years of age Holly Deane-Jones lived in cell with 120 women A convicted drug trafficker who spent years in a Thailand jail has opened up on her time sharing a cell with 120 other women and eating food with. Because Joy and Anna play on the RV, Alex keys in on them. I thought this was the whole reason behind Keller being obsessed with preparing for the worst, that his dad had been facing something he was unable to cope with and killed himself as his only way out of that situation. Who was he waiting for? Alabama woman sentenced to nearly 100 years on sodomy and bestiality Weve talked about Graces name. People need people and people need grace. Did Loki know she found her whistle? and feels all is well in my life. Popular depiction has Loki as a trickster. Also could represent David and Goliath and figuring out the maze was a Goliath task. Him being so a-type with all that stuff means he has his daughter carry that whistle, and its the whistle that he uses at the end to signal Loki. Snakes also as in snakes and ladders. Just some assumptions, like Kellers dad saw what happened to his co-worker and decided to become over protective of Keller. Lokis neck is a badgeso along with your hypothesishis god is justice/prison. Birch was also interesting as a name because birch trees are thought to be resilient, bending but not breaking. Prisoners (Film) - TV Tropes Largest Database of Taylor County Mugshots. So while Alex not confessing what happened to Keller could seem crazy, its in-line with how Prisoners shows other victims of abduction struggling to express themselves. Its no longer Alex being the byproduct of Holly and her husband, or being cruel just to be cruel. Biography Once a loving and religious woman, both Holly and her husband's minds soon took a twisted turn when their son died of cancer. Alex Jones/Detective Loki (Prisoners) - Archive of Our Own -Prisons (physical, emotional, mental, spiritual)-Mazes-Religion. I am bothered by the fact that there were no traces at all of the two girls found in the camper van, although they have been abducted in that van! The seemingly simple progress of the story is an artistic choice to create the sense of an itch you cant quite scratch, that theres more going on than you may have realized. But the more you dig into Prisoners it eventually becomes clear as day that the entire movie is this layered exploration of various types of prisons: physical, mental, emotional, and spiritual. Thanks! People who have suffered trauma usually inflict trauma on others, in some way. Except, Keller uses wood and his carpentry skills to imprison and torture Alex. Not saying it isnt annoying. Instead, he draws a maze. Thanks for the excellent analysis. I love the part where Keller sits next to Alex torture cell and cant finish his prayer at the sentence: and forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us, he holds back the last part, breaking at as we. I have a question about the scene where Joy said: that Keller was there too. in public-policy analysis, UNC-Chapel Hill; master's of divinity . So does. The breath. He says hes checking 9 of them. However, IMO the movie definitely has a few plot holes which qualify as fridge logic. We know hes still traumatized by what happened but not that hes necessarily still in contact with Holly or does Hollys bidding. Great minds. And yes, I love the juxtaposition of David Lokis name. Holly Jones disappeared from her west-end Toronto neighbourhood in 2003, raped and murdered by Michael Briere. Beyond that, the story plays out in such a way that it intentionally leaves viewers to put together key details. Im also a bit confused about it. Especially on re-watches. Murder of Holly Jones - Prime Time Crime Wow, I suppose Im late to the party because I only just watched it on Netflix. and murder on him. But the worst plot hole is that nobody figured out that the clothes which were found in Taylors possession were not worn by the girls at the time of their abduction. Our Solicitors and Barristers - Reeds Solicitors I am an admin of this site. Thank you for your insight Chris! star wars hologram projector; how to interpret histogram with . We know he was in the area, in the van. Its too easy to say Oh, well, they were completely messed up because of their own abductions when they were kids! And as you said yourself the whole plot development depends a bit too much on the fact that neither Alex nor Taylor are willing to talk about their experiences. . When he discovers the door to the basement behind the fridge, there is no staircase (the hole under the car also has no ladder) yet he quickly drops down to investigate and finds the body, 3. July 10, 2021 Investigation Discovery's 'The Lake Erie Murders: Blood in the Water' chronicles the brutal killing of 10-year-old Holly Jones in Ontario, Canada. Occupation: Executive director, YWCA of Asheville. I like your version of Loki saving him from hell of his own making but in spite of wonderful reasoning by Loki, what would have happened had Keller not listened to Alex when he was released and then not imprisoned and tortured him until he said they are in the maze? But I can see that the parents were in so much shock that they wouldnt remember what the girls were wearing when they were taken. Snakes are the tempter on the Bible? We do that by identifying in-roads, understanding their implications, then arriving at a conclusion. My biggest take was that the ending sentiment wasnt believable.