Possibly ambushed and didnt have time? Los expertos en conductas humanas (psiclogos, antroplogos, etc. On one hand, its more liberating and freeing. It seems to be made up of white paint, at least like a tribal looking face of white paint. They no longer had their phones or camera and made no emergency calls at all. Thorough job, very insightful and so well done Please visit Panama and further investigate. Im very impressed. Therefore we cannot conclude that a dog was even with them. I could be wrong, but until I see some compelling evidence to the contrary, Im sticking with Juans theory. Bizarre Stories About Tourists Who Went Missing Far From Home Like she was scouting and turned back to talk to Lisanne, shielding her eyes from the sun to see her. Give me a link. I wonder if the two red objects are flowers? Why IMG_0509 is missing, which could be a crucial piece of evidence, is an enigma. Ive kept comments on this article open for civil and respectful discussion. Some of them are human, including several skulls and a young girls intact corpse, in the bottom right, with a large hole in the head. This leads me to believe that they were followed by one or more men who made their presence known around that time. This connected callwas stable for roughly two seconds. Cheers. His family told Fox News that he had been traveling by himself and he was in good health. So easily noticeable. There is no database of how many people go missing in national parks every year but the National Parks Service has at least 29 cold cases of people who have gone missing and have yet to be found, with the oldest case dating back to 1958.. These are more unanswered questions that we may never know. It looks a bit wierd, but that is just because everybody is assuming they see her upper arm when in reality is is her lower arm. I implore those who are intrigued by this to read his books. Another thing that crossed my mind is what if the backpack & items had been kept as like a trophy of the killings, & a local knew thats what it was aware of the incident & grabbed it & left it somewhere to be found to try & help shed light on the case the best way they could. She is NOT looking at the ground, but at the camera, with her face up. I do see the supports and I think thats manmade also. However, the perpetrators likely wanted the authorities to believe they were taken on the pianista trail. Or perhaps its an offshoot from the trail along a natural gully that leads to a dead-end? So why did they go on a trip on April 1st? Do we know who owned the dog named Blue (aka Azul). I think whoever was behind the (likely) murders wanted it to seem like they went missing due to being lost on the pianista trail. And the hair photo shows him holding Kris by the neck (you can see his fingers, one wearing a silver ring with faces engraved on it). All very different from the happy silly girlie pictures at the beginning. Theyre also exceptionally rugged and dangerous, especially during the April-to-October wet season. Other than the dog, the young women went on their hike alone, only asking for directions from a local innkeeper, who advised them to take a taxi back to town. Would the girls really be so far apart in dense jungle? In fact, Im almost certain of it. Many cold cases have been solved years later. To see all content on The Sun, please use the Site Map. This was cleverly planned, and the murderer(s) have done this before. I wouldnt give mine out to my best friend, not even to my wife. She is obviously excited by the weird place they have found. From my understanding, the various teams communicate with each other about which parts of the case they are investigating, and collaborate occasionally to share information. Theres some orange with white dots. Read Matts article about the daytime photos (link) for more detailed information. Is there somebody behind the insignia? Thanks for the observation. Why? 3. There is no question thats what it is. If I saw a cow skull hanging in a tree I would get the hell out of there, not pose for a photo. From the story of Holger, it seems unlikely to imagine that the medical examiner overlooked the very serious condition of the cyclists remains. They lose their money and leave Panama with their lives. There are more answers out there that are still possible to gather. It is cooler at those altitudes but also inside the forest it will be more humid. There IS anecdotal info that Lisannes BF made contact with her at 1400 or so on the 1st April but maybe that was Dutch time not Panama time? Guns are mostly for use in robberies, but these gangs prefer not to leave bullet holes its too obvious. After days reviewing the evidence, Im now going to share a synopsis of what I believe happened there in the deep, dark cloud forest of Panama. How many tourists go to Australia? After this, the photos were from April 8, 2014and likely snappedbetween 1 amand 4 am. I just want to agree with Chris and the poster JW that she is shading her eyes with her right arm up. Tourists are usually only targeted when something goes wrong or someone has a specific personal problem with foreigners or a subset of foreigners. I think most of what people are seeing -other than the obvious, of course- is pareidolia. If their experience was catastrophic that that happened shortly before 16:36 UNLESS both were incapacitated and sense only returned at 16:36. There are so many possibilities and we will probably never really know. Im sure that when they left on that short hike that their intention was to be back home before dark and to be back to the host home for supper on time. Yes, the photo data was manipulated. Use soft language and leave out gory visuals in what you write. I wanted to her a benefit of the doubt before I came across this article, yes she did mention red and black feathers on a piece of wood and turquoise pendant and a white mask. Thanks for all you are doing Chris. Celebrity. Ive already researched a lot about the local conditions: https://imperfectplan.com/2020/07/02/kris-kremers-lisanne-froon-panama-bleached-bones/. Is it possible that Kris and Lisanne reached this field with fencing (past the second stream crossing) and mistook this place to be a different entry to the farm areas which are closer to the trail head ? I suspect the timestamps on some images are incorrect. No dog. Oliver, I just looked at your 1st link, and I can clearly see a human face in the red circle. Did they each have a camera or only Lisanne? But she is definitely on a well-worn path. Dutch authors Marja West and Jrgen Snoeren claim they have solved the mystery in their book Lost in The Jungle. Something drastic happened it is clear but what exactly and where exactly? Their bodies were located after more than 690 hours of searching. A priest of sorts. Even the cheap pair of sunglasses are in perfect condition. https://u.cubeupload.com/beavermatic/KrisKremersFullPhoto.jpg, Her hands are not tied behind her back! All of this leads to resentment and frustration, which results in higher crime rates. I was visiting Panama and Boquette July 2014, thats when I first heard about this case and was following it ever since. The backpack and all the contents are so confusing. The Canon Powershot SX270 HS, has two methods of numbering images. Only a fool thinks they were attacked by people. Ive seen the chronological order of the photos posted by Scarlet and some of the strikes me as being askew. Dyatlov Pass Tourists Go Missing While Visiting Area of - Newsweek Does anyone know what the orange string is on the left of the photo? She ties the red bags to branches so they can spot her if they get near. Also we are in the realms of Hollywood if we need such a calm and calculating mind at work other than those of the girls to abduct and or kill them and then orchestrate a smokescreen. It looks as though she has a mouse under her right eye. Im impressed how you were able to see the other things in the photo. He walked the trail with Ks parents, a sweet friendly lovely dog companion with big wise blue eyes, he is prominent in the video made by Ks parents as they walked the trail. Most dog owners here do not use a leash when walking their dogs. More probable is that the picture was deleted. They got lost and they died of starvation and a hard ration, except for Chriss. If you look at her shirt, it appears to be red and white striped. Debbie, I agree. CARACAS, Venezuela -- Few Venezuela ns have not had their lives touched by migration over the last decade, when more than 7 million people left the country amid a political . I speculate about potential reasons. Lastly, I totally see animal pelts inside the structure. However, on closer inspection you can see that the left hand side of the post is really a vine or root hanging straight down and the white at the top is a patch of light in the background, as if there was a small narrow window in the bank Through which the sun is shining and it also looks as though someone is looking through it at Kris. The deaths of more than 4,680 people have been documented during migration in Asia since 2014, often linked to the exodus of the Rohingya from Myanmar. It is high noon and they have no way of telling which direction to go. Cheers, Reg. Have you looked closely at what Chris has labelled the insignia. I live in a third world country and sometimes tourists come to grief. Many hikers from all over the world disappear, fall, or suffer other fatal accidents while traveling - this could've happened to these women as well. What people are mistaking as swelling of the right eye/cheek is simply the sunlight highlighting the contours of the right side of her face while the left side is in shadow, probably combined with squinting of the right eye due to the bright light. Also I see a black pipe if you look carefully near one of the red and black objects the one that was circled. If there are documented river paths, this could be a way to find that exact same location. If it is a photo-op, why is Kris not waving her hands or something. One indication is that I cannot see the shoulder strap of her top that is obscured by her white/fair forearm. Sorry Chris, having re-read what you said at the beginning of your article and having stared at the photo a for a bit longer, I can definitely see the corner of a kind of pitched, thatched roof of a what looks like a man-made hut. Anyway thanks again this is such a fascinating case I wish there would be some kind of closure for the families (although I saw a you tube video that interviewed the father of one of the girls, he said that they hired their own investigator and determined they died of an accidental fall. What I have not found is concrete evidence of where they went. This was either something catastrophic or a developing situation due for example to them getting lost. What is clear is that on that fateful day the girls went out for a short hike and never came back. For the first handful, a correct password was entered. I dont really speculate much with psychic readings or energy. Ive seen cases in which political frenemies were erased out of photos without a trace. Theres no evidence that animals scavenged the Holandesas., Panamanian IMELCF Forensic Anthropologist, This is from the Daily Beast interview with Jeremy Kryt titled: The Lost Girls, the Bones, and the Man in the Panama Morgue. On the other hand, its more dangerous and risky. It is also possible that an unknown person, possibly the one responsible for the girls deaths, deleted the file for some reason but not the others on the card with a laptop in the middle of the jungle. But, then again this whole case is pretty unbelievable whether you believe they did or didnt meet foul play. And the weird flesh colored thing hanging in the tree to her left could be a skinned animal. She would probably have gone into what looks like a cave or hut behind her, which may have been a booby trap leading to a long drop either through the floor or at the back of the cave. Id love to know if these pics exsist. https://netherlandsnewslive.com/kris-and-lisanne-went-hiking-in-panama-but-never-left-the-jungle/151903/. The branches above her could be an attempt to hide the entrance. The overriding input is human. The tragic deaths of Kris and Lisanne remain a disturbing mystery. Had someone told them about something worth seeing? To Janice To me it looks as if shes holding up one hand cupping her ear as if to hear something being shouted to her. The science can speak for itself. Their story captivated me for some reason. To me it looks like the chopped off end of a thick tree branch. Their families went to the police to. I also think those girls probably already perished before the dates on those daytime photos. Stories which hes found in archives going back as early as 1500s until modern day all Facts and all true. Are any of you familiar with the missing 411 phenomena? At this point I have to agree with him, and I think its likely the trail guide and some men they met were somehow involved. ), which doesnt look natural. Also, sometimes the investigations go dead because the government wants the story to go away in order for the tourist trade to not be hurt. What Really Happened To Two Dutch Hikers Who Disappeared In Panama? In the Americas, more than 6,200 people have been reported dead or missing during migration since 2014. I previously read that online, although it was a while ago and I cant remember where I read that. When someone does finally find her, its the last people she would want to be found by. Yes the dog was owned by Giovanni and Doris, the owners of Il Pianista Restaurant. Two months after the backpack was found, a pelvic bone and foot still inside a boot were discovered in the same area, according to La Estrella de Panama. That does not make sense if they were genuine. But in the last year, several mass graves have been unearthed, revealing to the world a dark practice of human sacrifice which is thriving in the jungles of Panama. I think it would be nice for a botanist to take a look at the vegetation. I believe that the LA Times article is more informative, so Ive updated the link in my writing above. Once they examined the phones, investigators unraveled a confusing and grim timeline. Take care if you do go over there. It is possible for incompetence to work in conjunction with interests to protect key industries. Alex Humphrey disappeared . In the end, maybe this photo has more information that was originally thought. It happens often and I cant even imagine how horrible it was. Yes, I think its the entrance to a short cave. Also right inside the cave looks like a fox or something similar is painted on the rock. Photo link: is. Something happened between the morning and afternoon of the 5th because it was in the afternoon that a wrong pin was entered and subsequently every time thereafter. And the hair photo shows him holding Kris by the neck (you can see his fingers, one wearing a silver ring with faces engraved on it). However there appear to be yellowish/beige shadows and it looks like a sandstone cliff. My condolences to the families that experienced this terrible tragedy. The fact that the backpack showed up on the bank of a river completely dry and unharmed downstream, with the camera and other electronics still functioning, shows that someone placed it there. They could have been a target early on. Be careful. They added a caution sign after their disappearance for this exact reason. Perhaps someone has just hit Kris on the right side of her head and she is putting her hand up to where it hurts. Ive considered a number of possibilities on the pictures. If they did, then Im wondering if the dog named Blue went with them or was allowed in the taxi. It only makes the image look more detailed, but the detail is artificial and can be very misleading. The internet does not have the most crucial information about the case. I dont appreciate the internet trolls who dump havoc on peoples insights. There is, of course, the possibility that they might have agreed to share passwords considering that a remote wilderness could present an emergency that might result in a combination of one of them losing her phone while the other was too incapacitated to work hers. Also I have read that during the time they tried to contact emergency services one phone connected albeit briefly. I would certainly buy it if it had been printed in English. What do you think? First calls at 16:39 then nothing again for 14 hours? Any idea of the exact location where this picture is taken? Even if there is only one it can provide information of they were not which is important to reduce the places they could be because much of the conspiracy theories I see seem to suggest they were not on the trail. Debra Ann Velleman's husband, Anthony Velleman, another passenger and the pilot were rescued by Panamanian search and rescue teams. Have you performed this same work on any of the other case photos? I want to come!! Hi Chris, i uploaded the photo to show what i see. The parallel side-supports would have been covered with leaves in order to make a suitable temporary roof. In fact, its probable to some degree. They place the evidence where it can be found, brining the matter to a close. The predator is methodical. The group of 13 youngsters - nine from Coln province and four who were visiting from Panama City - left on Friday morning to go swimming in Gatn Lake. These were of seemingly random objects, like a stick with plastic sticking to it, as well as scenes of foliage, canyons, anda bridge. Ive written about many disappearances in Central America: https://imperfectplan.com/disappearances/, Thank you for your comment and please feel free to send me any notes/info that you find. The following insight will make not make much sense to you if you dont know their story. Theres no denying that the face looks skewed and mask like. But what if that is what led them off track ? When a bad break happens at ankle level and the body decomposes and gets scavenged once the flesh and muscle is gone the foot and shoe are separated from the rest of the leg. Lisanne would gave definitely called her mother AT LEAST ONCE because, listen to this this is from her own diary written just two days before their disappearance: So they hide a lot of the gang activity and downplay what happens, which exacerbates the problem. For example, I visited numerous hostels in Panama and the hostels that have dogs usually permit their dogs to roam freely outside of the house and to come and go as they please. Tourists Who Stay in Panama Long Term Now Have to Leave for a Minimum WHY? A desperate search for the students was launched, with rescue workers combing through the jungle and nearby villages. If you find more info about this, please feel free to share it. The relationship between pets and owners is different in Central America than in developed countries. Could fishing line be being used to secure all this making it hard to see, & could that blue object on the ground be part of the roof device- step on it & it triggers it or something like that? A year later, two tourists following the same trail are robbed at gunpoint. Sadly, shortly after, she meets someone she fears and call the police. In 2014 Kris Kremers and Lisanne Froon, both from the Netherlands were traveling and exploring the Central American country of Panama. Why? How come there are so many disappearances in S. America A table of photo data from their hike on El Pianista Trail: New Case Data: Timestamps Of Missing Daytime Photos. Others suggested neitherFroonnor Kremerstook those photos; they believesomeone abducted the women. All of it couldve just gone away.? A closer look at mysterious disappearances that continue to baffle detectives. I just find it strange that no video diary or fotos of each other made after 508. Returning the phones + money immediately made it look like they werent attacked for robbery. My question is: Who has the ability to manipulate both the cameras internal storage database and the photos? Its so cold. I dont believe that anything ominous is happening to Kris in this specific photo. And one of the branches near the middle appears to have scales or a pattern not natural to a tree branch. A piece of evidence that is irrefutable. Is it a reasonable number? Hi Chris, good question. It looks like an indigenous person with shiny black hair walking away from Kris. Is the time that photo was taken known? The people in Panama may be afraid to speak, but in Europe, the USA and other Central American countries there are pods of people still working on the case. Or another type of colorful animal found in the jungle? if you break your ankle in a fall and die your foot is likely to be found IN the shoe as is what happened. Didnt they cross the line where it had a clear sign not to cross it?